31 Mar 2026

Stop Trading Hours for Dollars: The Law Firm Wealth Formula

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Legal + Wealthy™ is a podcast for lawyers and law students who want to build wealth by changing the way they think about money, success, and their careers. Hosted by estate planning attorney, mindset coach for lawyers and professor Lauren Klein, the show explores the mindset shifts that help lawyers move from stress and scarcity into confidence with money, entrepreneurship, and long term financial security.

In this episode Lauren Klein sits down with Anthony Karls, Esq., President of Rocket Clicks and co-founder of Sterling Lawyers, LLC, to break down the real wealth formula for law firms. If you’re ready to stop grinding and start building, this episode is your blueprint. Anthony Karls, Esq. is a legal technology and marketing expert who leveraged over a decade of experience to help build one of the nation’s largest family law firms from scratch.

Show Notes: 

[00:01:00] – [00:04:59] Welcome and Introduction.

[00:05:00] – [00:08:59] How Anthony Built a National Family Law Firm/Engineering Growth! Anthony shares how he and his partners grew his practice from nothing into one of the largest family law firms in the country.

[00:09:00] – [00:16:59] The Traffic-to-Conversion Gap Most Firms Miss. Most law firms spend money driving traffic to their website and then lose the client at the intake stage — a costly and common disconnect. Anthony unpacks what real SEO looks like for law firms in 2026.

[00:17:00] – [00:19:59] AI Tools That Actually Move the Needle. Anthony cuts through the AI hype to share which tools and implementations are making a measurable difference for law firms right now. From automating intake workflows to improving marketing performance.

[00:20:00] – [00:22:59] Hiring & Systems That Scale Without You. Scaling a law firm requires building systems that don’t depend on the founder being in every room.

[00:23:00] – [00:25:24] The Mindset Shift From Lawyer to Firm Owner. The final and most important shift is internal — moving from thinking like an attorney to thinking like a business owner. Anthony and Lauren close the conversation with the mindset reframe that makes all the strategy, systems, and marketing actually stick.

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Guest: Anthony Karls, Esq., President of Rocket Clicks

Website: https://rocketclicks.com/team-member/anthony-karls/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonykarls

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/2311.karls.anthony/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karls.anthony/

YouTube (via LinkedIn Videos): https://www.linkedin.com/videos/anthonykarls_get-in-front-of-people-already-putting-their-activity-7387247410831339522-RzLA

Personalized Insights Hub: https://anthonykarls.com/

 

HOST: Lauren Klein, Esq.,

Flourish Law Group Attorney, Law Firm Owner, Professor & Founder of Legal + Wealthy™
Website: https://legalandwealthy.com/home-599225
Podcast: https://legalandwealthy.com/podcast
Instagram (Personal): @lawyerlaurenklein | https://www.instagram.com/lawyerlaurenklein
Instagram (Business): @legalandwealthy_ | https://www.instagram.com/legalandwealthy_/

If today’s conversation truly resonated with you, if you’re ready to stop normalizing burnout, start building real wealth, and take intentional control of your well-being alongside other lawyers and law students doing the same, I want to invite you to join our membership, The Society.

The Society is Legal + Wealthy™’s monthly membership built exclusively for lawyers and law students who want to build true wealth, gain confidence around money, have mental clarity, physical wellbeing, and a supportive community that actually gets what this life and career are like. Inside The Society, you’ll get access to:

* monthly virtual yoga designed just for legal minds
* weekly money and mindset audio coaching
* a book club, masterclasses, and meet-ups with successful professionals
* ongoing community support and accountability
* exclusive discounts on retreats and events

It’s not another program, it’s a lifestyle experience for people who want to create wealth without sacrificing their health or happiness. If you want real transformation without overwhelm this year, head over to the link below to join now as a founding member:

https://legalandwealthy.com/jointhessociety

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14 Nov 2025

Building Real Wealth as a Lawyer Beyond Billable Hours

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Whether you’re drowning in law school debt, feeling trapped by a six-figure income, or curious about alternatives to traditional legal practice, this conversation will shift how you think about money and possibility.

In this episode of Legal and Wealthy, Rho Thomas, Esq. shares how she discovered the real disconnect between earning power and financial success and the 3-step framework she used to eliminate debt and build flexibility in her career. Join us as she shares current strategy for building non-time-dependent wealth and much more!

TIMESTAMP:

[00:00:00] – [00:00:54] Intro/Opening. Welcome to Legal and Wealthy podcast. Introduction to the show, host Lauren Klein, and show’s mission about building wealth and freedom in legal careers.

[00:00:58] – [01:04:20] Episode Intro & Guest Introduction. Welcome back to another episode. Introduction of guest Ro Thomas, attorney and money coach. Discussion of Ro’s work helping lawyers manage money, grow net worth, and create freedom. Ro hosts Personal Finance for Lawyers podcast.

[01:04:40] – [01:08:03] Discussing prior episode. Lauren expresses excitement about diving into the conversation. Mentions previous episode on Ro’s podcast and shared perspective on legal practice and the world.

[01:08:03] – [02:07:80] Guest’s Journey Begins. Lauren asks Ro to take us back and tell her journey from where she started in law to where she is today. Ro begins her story in 2014 starting her first big job at a big law firm in Atlanta practicing trademark and copyright law. She had interesting clients and worked with great people.

[02:07:90] – [02:29:30] Beginning of Financial Journey. Ro’s money journey started in 2016 when she had her first child. She was the quintessential associate going above and beyond. After having her child, she realized that motherhood wouldn’t mesh with her demanding legal practice.

[02:29:30] – [02:52:83] Part-Time Policy & Financial Decision. The firm offered a part-time policy where she could do a percentage of billable hours for that percentage of salary. She and her husband looked at their finances to see if they could make it work with a pay cut (around 75-80%).

[02:52:83] – [03:39:23] Debt Reality Check. They discovered they had $678,000 of debt total, with almost $500,000 being student loans. The rest was between car loans and their mortgage. This revelation hit them hard when considering the pay cut for part-time work.

[03:39:23] – [37:18:90] – Discussion about debt payoff strategy, financial decisions, wealth building, investing and growing wealth. A winning strategy not to be missed!

[37:18:90] – [38:05:30] Real Estate Investment Decision. Ro discusses entering a new season of life where she has more control over her time. With her husband in a demanding profession and young children, they previously chose passive stock market investing. Now she’s interested in real estate and exploring how it could generate income not directly tied to time.

[38:05:30] – [39:04:40] Real Estate Projects. Ro and her husband are dipping their toes into real estate. They’ve owned the property for a little under a month and are doing repairs before renting it out. Lauren expresses happiness and excitement for this venture.

[39:04:40] – [40:41:20] Contacting Our Guest and free guide information: Lauren thanks Ro for the incredible conversation and inspiration to lawyers and law students. Ro shares her contact information: rothomas.com, rothomas.com/legalandwealthy for a free guide on the 5 biggest mistakes lawyers make getting out of debt, and LinkedIn (@rothomas).

[40:41:20] – [41:13:00] Closing Statements. Lauren thanks Ro for her time. Reminder about true wealth and freedom. Closing statement about listeners already having what it takes.

HOST:
Lauren Klein, Flourish Law Group
Attorney, Law Firm Owner, Professor & Founder of Legal and Wealthy
Website: https://laurenalexisklein.com / Podcast: https://podcast.laurenalexisklein.com

Social Media:
Instagram (Personal): @lawyerlaurenklein | https://www.instagram.com/lawyerlaurenklein
Instagram (Law Firm): @flourishlawgroup | https://www.instagram.com/flourishlawgroup

GUEST:
Guest: Rho Thomas, Esq.
Website: rothomas.com
LinkedIn: @iamrhothomas

Thank you to our show sponsor:

Law Firm Sites
Custom law firm websites + online marketing for law firms (23+ years)
Contact: (800) 932-8242
Website: www.lawfirmsites.com
Special Offer: Mention “Legal and Wealthy” for 10% off any website or marketing package

Don’t forget to follow Lauren Klein on Instagram @lawyerlaurenklein & Subscribe to the Legal + Wealthy Podcast: podcast.laurenalexisklein.com